Re: What are the differences between C++ and Visual C++?

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cpp4ever <n2xssvv.g02gfr12930@ntlworld.com>
Newsgroups:
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Date:
Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:38:18 +0100
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On 09/16/2010 06:58 PM, ?? Tiib wrote:

On 16 sept, 11:54, Cplus_addicted <ser...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sep 14, 2:09 am, Paavo Helde <myfirstn...@osa.pri.ee> wrote:

Cplus_addicted <ser...@gmail.com> wrote in news:914bd16b-564c-42d5-b1bf-
bb15b37b0...@k30g2000vbn.googlegroups.com:

On Sep 13, 4:10 pm, Gerald Breuer <Gerald.Bre...@googlemail.com>
wrote:

Am 13.09.2010 13:39, schrieb Cplus_addicted:

The company I am working at is already making interfaces
made with Delphi. But I want to change them to C++.


You want to convince them to change being a C++-newbie???


Nope. I never need to convince them. I am already an automation
engineer in a machine company. I am 25. We implement and optimize PLC
codes in TwinCAT software for Beckhoff products during design. They
want me to improve myself in a particular programming language as C++
or Delphi, etc.. Since I am basic C programmer, it will be easy for me
to adapt in C++ environment. (this is what I think). The machines
already have Delphi-based interfaces. Those are very simple data
reading softwares, you can see what machine is doing or reading or
cutting... All I need is to write them in C++ from the beginning. But
these are very long-term ideas of me. Thats why I started now...


Honestly, if you know C only then you have about equal opportunities to
go to either Delphi or C++ way. This is because the sheer size of C++ is
at least 30 times bigger than C (don't know about Delphi). Don't get me
wrong, I like C++ very much and would suggest it for doing anything, but
you should not base your decisions on questionable assumptions.

Also, I can see no benefit in rewriting some working Delphi code if there
is no reason other than that you do not know Delphi.


I dont know Delphi, but I got basic C knowledge of 1 year during my
univ study. That is why I dont wanna discover America again, and I
wanna go through Visual C++. Because, all I need to make are human-
machine interfaces to control machines in automation systems.


Hmm. Maybe tell us 5 years later how far you got with your "simple"
SCADA system made with TwinCAT OPC servers/controllers and PLC and
what you had there using you basic one course knowledge of C ... and
how many people your devices did kill.


  That's somewhat harsh, just because someone has an idea of rewriting
some existing code, you suggest they may end up killing people. Surely a
nuch more constructive approach would be to make clear the cost in time,
effort, and actual benefits.
  I remember some years ago, a similar suggestion was made when the
company,(where I was employed), wanted to move code from 16 bit to 32
bit architecture. My response was to highlight the financial cost, time,
and people required to have a chance of achieving that. Then I suggested
an approach that would reuse the existing code and would require less
cost, time, and people. This is the approach that was finally taken, and
successfully I may add.
  Finally, any company that cannot manage quality control of it's
development and release of products will very quickly be lacking any
significant customer numbers, and hence go bust. Unfortunately most
management I've experience of is nore interested in jargon laden
slogans, and meaningless company philosophies that pay no attention to
the quality of what the company actually produces.

cpp4ever

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