Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints.
On 1/2/2014 6:36 AM, Silvio wrote:
On 01/02/2014 04:19 AM, Arne Vajh?j wrote:
On 12/30/2013 8:38 AM, Silvio wrote:
This is also the area where ORMs failed in the projects
I talked about. It's not that the ORM can not do it, it just can not do
it sufficiently well even with help from the most experienced experts we
could find.
????
Joins is a core feature of ORM.
And common Java ORM's like JPA implemntations and Hibernate does
aggregate functions exactly like SQL in JPQL and HQL respectively.
I wonder what kind of "experts" you got.
Yes, they got all the stuff working the first time with joins and
aggregates like you say. But after some time they got into trouble
because aliased data caused the systems to show faulty counts and totals
etc. and from there on it went down-hill. On more than one system they
had to forcefully flush the cache at specific moments to get the right
results for subsequent reporting. Which then did not work very promptly,
to put it mildly.
It has either been a horrible ORM or some horrible "experts".
Most systems I work(ed) on are primarily analytical systems working on
data that comes from surveys, measure devices, order tracking systems
etc. and fetching a record and storing it after manually changing some
attributes is not the common use case. The primary goal is to properly
manage such data at the record level behind the scenes while at the same
time allow thorough analysis of the overall process. Much of this
requires aggregates on joins that have to be built dynamically because
the user can specify exactly what he needs via a UI, akin to an OLAP
system.
I admit that this is not a good match for ORM but in these cases that
was hindsight wisdom. When they started they thought ORM was the right
tool. Which does not surprise me since I encounter many people who never
doubt ORM is the way to go with any system.
Ah.
ORM's are often good for transactional data (OLTP).
Not as obvious a choice for analytical data (DWH).
Arne
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