Re: Creating a simple visual user interface

Andrew Thompson <>
Sat, 9 Aug 2008 20:04:08 -0700 (PDT)
On Aug 10, 12:18 pm, Arne Vajh=F8j <> wrote:
... the Java world GUI builders has never really caught on.*

I have despised GUI builders, historically, but
have been following this thread with interest,
and am almost tempted to try them again, just to
see if I can hate them less this time. (I just
thought I should mention that in case anybody is
left wonderring where my prejudices come from, and
what the 'shades' I might put on the comments mean.)

I am wondering if this (* Arne's comment) comes from
Java being X-Plat and requiring use and understanding
of layouts. It seems GUI builders tend to presume you
want to use 'XYLayout' or 'PreciseLayout' or a

This leaves a GUI that might break on the next system,
or the next Java update.

Is my assumption wrong? How do you go about selecting
(and nesting) layouts in a screen based GUI designer?

There has not been much discussion of layouts in the
descriptions of GUI making so far, but perhaps that
was just because it was considered ancillary to the
main point.

Any way you cut it, I would not recommend using a GUI
builder until you have a good understanding of/proficiency
with the core layouts (and widgets) and how to combine them.

Can any of the people who regularly (and successfully)
use GUI builers to produce code, claim they did/do *not*
have that 'proficiency'?

(The reason I press the last point is because I would
never recommend a GUI builder to anyone who wanders in,
asking how to layout a GUI. And my teeth grind every
time someone asks how to get there 'form' to..)

Andrew Thompson

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