Re: question on java lang spec chapter 3.3 (unicode char lexing)

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On 1/2/2013 11:41 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:

On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 9:46:12 PM UTC-5, Arne Vajh?j wrote:

On 1/2/2013 9:27 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:

On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 9:26:03 PM UTC-5, Arne Vajh???j wrote:

On 1/2/2013 9:22 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:

an other requirement not satisfied by any IDE we have found is
the
ability to lay the source tree out in such a way that it can be
compiled without the IDE (a requirement for almost all our
projects
because none of our clients have IDE's and in almost all cases
there
are minor changes needed to make the code happy on their site
that
make testing impossible on the development machine)

The Java IDE's I know put code in a structure that fits
java tools, ant and maven.

And in almost any non-trivial case this is completely incorrect...

Given that a big part (my estimate: 80-90%!) of all Java applications

are build:

- developer use IDE and checkin to VCS
- build process checkout from VCS and use ant/maven to build

then it has to be correct.

Correct in what sense?

Same sense as you used incorrect!

even though I love Java as a lang I have a serious issue with some of
the attitudes/assumptions made by tools... namely the universe does
not revolve around the JVM

I find it natural that tools developed for Java development are the
best for Java development and tools developed for C development are
the best for C development and ... PHP ... Python ... etc..

Most real world projects (unless they a part of a larger effort) have
several components/languages (for us for example it is typical to
have a HTML/CSS/JS component and a Java/"JSP" component [I am
defining "JSP" a little loosely because we often need to support more
then just web front-ends]... it is also common for us to have some
native code accessed via a JNLP wrapper)...

(JNI wrapper??)

Eclipse and NetBeans can support all those languages.

But if you have sufficient much work in each language then
a different IDE for the HTML/CSS/JS and another for the
C/C++ could make sense.

You may want to use ant for the Java stuff and make for the
C/C++ stuff.

But ant can call make and make can call ant, so they can be integrated.

Arne